tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16688455.post2004490753148500719..comments2024-03-18T09:13:19.346+00:00Comments on panGloss: Oink site owner cleared of conspiracy to defraudpanglosshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00900934369744270540noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16688455.post-16299199098873617472010-01-23T11:00:26.126+00:002010-01-23T11:00:26.126+00:00It's been said before, but the site did not ch...It's been said before, but the site did not charge or even require users to donate or pay money for anything. If users volunteered to pay anything there were given one or two invites to send to friends. These invites were given to users who adhered to the community's rules and values in the first instance, so were not that great an incentive to donate money. However, the limited media coverage of the site since the arrest and to the present day has repeatedly reported these inaccuracies as fact. The site also ran a <b>modified</b> version of a standard website template, which hosted a vibrant discussion community including musicians, both professional and amateur. The music industry has a lot to learn about harnessing these communities to their advantage, especially given that other similar services quickly grew to take OiNK's placeRobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14805873500006159938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16688455.post-1749777019083047202010-01-17T14:14:43.338+00:002010-01-17T14:14:43.338+00:00My guess is that the prosecution went completely o...My guess is that the prosecution went completely over the top and the jury got sick of the high pitched whining noise.<br /><br />IIRC the prosecution were saying he'd got loads of pirated stuff on his site etc etc. My understanding is that he didn't have any stuff on his site but he offered an effective means of finding it.<br /><br />The money seems to be a complete red herring; anyone can set up a web site and charge for access to it.<br /><br />The prosecution case, put in a sober fashion, makes sense: yer man was charging for access to a site which enabled it's members to swap copyrighted/pirated content. However he wasn't "stealing" it and then selling it himself, which was the gist of the pre publicity.<br /><br />I was also surprised he got off given the propaganda before the trial. I was also surprised he managed to get a jury, I thought they'd been pretty much done away with now? There will certainly be more pressure for "expert" panels to decide cases so that "perverse" juries "stuffed full of students and ne'er do wells" don't make monkeys of their betters.<br /><br />Just so you know, I am actually in favour of artists being paid for their work... This isn't the way to go about it though.nickjnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16688455.post-74457922625253196522010-01-16T22:41:05.558+00:002010-01-16T22:41:05.558+00:00Thanks Geek, I know servers vary!! It would be rea...Thanks Geek, I know servers vary!! It would be really good if a transcript of this case could emerge..panglosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00900934369744270540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16688455.post-18338274273825154212010-01-15T18:24:57.401+00:002010-01-15T18:24:57.401+00:00FYI: a server setup for a site like this might wel...FYI: a server setup for a site like this might well cost £30,000 with bandwidth costs of 500/month+. It's not like running a word press blog on a homeserver!<br /><br />A kit? Possible doubtful: it's more like he got a core site that needed customising to be useful. That can take a lot of work. A lot. As anyone whose every run an ecommerce site from 'free' template will tell you.<br /><br />I'd love to know what the charging discussions were. Was this them looking for a precedent? Did they feel Fraud was a safe bet or a high publicity/deterrence bet? Non fraud criminal charges have their own difficulties here that may have been at least as intractable as the fraud ones.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16688455.post-34228853694446145492010-01-15T17:41:07.639+00:002010-01-15T17:41:07.639+00:00Oh how wrong you are.
Oink did _not_ require paym...Oh how wrong you are.<br /><br />Oink did _not_ require payment for membership. At all.<br /><br />There is no commercial equivalent to Oink.. if there was, many would be happy to pay. <br /><br />The verdict is a victory for common sense. Most small artists benefit from sites like this. It's only the huge record companies that miss out, and really, there's no need for them to exist in the modern world.Stenoreply@blogger.com